>> i think we need to ban gun control laws that keep people from protecting themselves. the problem is not going to go away if we ban this or that gun, it doesn't work, doesn't even work in new england. you have had mass murders in england, mass murders -- people need to be able to defend themselves at the point of the crime and not wait for 20 minutes for the police to come when everybody is dead. >> when you said is an absolutely, the gun murder rate in countries like britain or germany or australia who have all suffered massacres many years ago of a similar nature. there are 35 people killed a year, your country is 12,000. >> your murder rate is lower than ours, that is true, your violent crime rate -- your violent crime rate. >> and they got rid of these all the weapons. >> as is the violent crime rate in australia. america is not the wild west that you are depicting, we only have the problem in our cities, and unhappily in our schools where people like you have been able to get laws put on the books that keep people from being able to defend themselves. i honestly d